Compostulating With The Times

Sunday, August 30, 2009

WhereTheWeight Is.



Finally have an answer to a great question by Dena. Where does your weight go, over fences?

I answered regarding where your weight goes, on the way up and the way down. I couldn't type-alize where it is in the air.
On the way to the jump and going up, your weight is in your heels, and the thrust of the horse's jump catapults you into the air. That power off the ground, from the horse's jump, will lift your weight up and off his back. While you're in the air, you are weightless, and your heel can and does slip up or back. Look hard at this picture. There is nothing wrong with it.

That's why you'll see many jumper riders with their lower legs swinging every which way, some more than others. These are the GreaT riders. They have the feel, they can let the horse's spring determine what their heel does. It's not enough of a form fault to be marked "down". If this rider's leg was out in front of him? This horse would have stopped. This horse was quite a stopper, and not the most enthusiastic about life and work and jumping. This is the "Eeyore" horse I got to ride, the same horse that was cheered up by chasing Ami around.

Peter, the rider, has a very slight roach in his back, a reminder that this horse could stop in a blink. This horse never gave you a tremendous "boot up the arse". This horse was ground-bound.

Well, duh. There ya go. Your weight, when you jump? It's in the air. I knew that. Jeeepers.

When you watch the great jumper riders, you will never see a lower leg jammed out in front of them. Never. Three-Day Riders will absolutely have to, when they are descending from large drops. But they will never have their lower legs ahead of them for an ascent, or an in-the-air. That equals weight, on the horses back, in the air. Not a good thing, for the horse.

Clear??


It just takes me awhile, as you know, by NoW.

Sorry it took so long Dena! I love thinking about questions, and building the answer in my mind. It just takes 4ever, it seems.

There's more, and there is a tie-in to pickles and butts, but it'll have to wait, until I've percolated some more. Without coffee. Hah!
Something to do with sticking a buck, even in two-point.
I learned, the hard way (as usual), how to do it. How not to do it, too.

OH, and my family went through some of dad's old pictures and stuff, found some reallY cool old pics! Yet another copy of my one claim to fame, but the whole page, and I can't believe I was on the same page as Kimmy Kirton & Minnie Mouse!

Thanks Dad!

18 comments:

Dena said...

Flying. It is a beautiful thing.
Thank you so much GL.
Wonderful illustration.
You Rock!!!

Sherry Sikstrom said...

Well put ,I don't jump and I think I even understand it

kestrel said...

Thanks! Gives me some wonderful terminology to use on my victims...ahem...students, this week!

blueheron said...

Wow, what a jump. That just took my breath away, seeing that.
WHO is that, by the way? The horse. I figured the rider was you, unmistakable, all-guts style of yours.
:)

autumnblaze said...

I'm with fv, don't jump, but I totally see what you're saying here.

I had always wondered why the pics you see of the 3-dayers where they were coming off some massive wall into a water hazard, why they looked as if they were bracing against the horses face with their legs out in front... now I get it. I knew that they weren't really bracing on their face... but I had always wondered why I never saw other jumpers doing that but it makes sense now... so much sense. :) Yous a good teacher, ya' know dat GL?

Natalie Keller Reinert said...

Your weight's in the air! LOL! Love it! Of course it is!!!

Horsey people are so rarely good at science, we were too busy writing short stories based on the Black Stallion and dreaming of the ride we'd have after school got out to do any good in physics.

Or even to pass chemistry. :) (First "D" grade ever!)

Fabulous picture. It's not where your leg is in flight, it's where it is on the landing. . .

GoLightly said...

BH, Nope, not me, unless my name is Peter.

BH is skimmin' again..
Or my incomprehensibility dribbler failed.

I did ride this horse, just not in this picture:)

The horse was never one for giving you explosions over fences. More like tremors, far, far off.
He preferred not jumping:)

Peter Stoeckl, my boss/trainer at his riding school is riding this horse here...
Peter trained/rode with Michael Matz, another hero of mine.
Very similar riding style, don't ya think?

Padraigin_WA said...

so well written, GoL.
as usual, a terrific post!
love the photo and to think that you rode this guy, also!

GoLightly said...

I got me a B.Sc., US.

so THERE;)

nccatnip said...

Ditto, Dena, Ditto.

horspoor said...

I understand the description. However...there will be no weight on a horse from me jumping....I'll not be jumping. lol

CharlesCityCat said...

As usual GL, great post and very well explained.

I have never done Jumpers, all of my stuff is Hunters, so the leg position is a bit different unless you get into the bigtime stuff where they are doing Working at 4' or 4'6".

Spunky and I only did a few jumps at 4' and I knew my leg wasn't where it would have been at 3' or even 3'6". But we were solid and we landed just right. Jumping a fence that big on a 15'3 QH/hunter really makes you sit back, but the flight was amazing. I love a big oxer.

blueheron said...

Sorry, GL. I have poor vision anyway, and I just assumed the tall slim person was you. Real similar riding style. Now that I look closely, it is clearly a man, who is a bit taller than you and doesn't have any hips. lol.

Did you happen to take, um, lessons with him or anything? lol.

GoLightly said...

EEEK.
14th.

Humpfh, BH.

;)

<")

joanna said...

There was a really good article in last month's Practical Horseman about this for cross country. Great pictures explaining where a rider's weight and center of gravity should be.

Cut-N-Jump said...

GL-
Peter Stoeckl, my boss/trainer at his riding school is riding this horse here...
Peter trained/rode with Michael Matz, another hero of mine.


I too was a MM fan before he went to the racetrack. The Horse in Sport video, featuring jumping had him on there. Plenty of insight and words of wisdom to follow back then...

How about the riders from across the pond, who sit much like the photo of Kimmy shows. Hardly out of the saddle, letting the horse do the work and you sit pretty motionless, not interfereing. That is what I hope for some day, but rarely see it happening around here. I'm thinking it too, keeps the lower leg still and more quiet. Any suggestions? Anyone? I am open for thought...

Cut-N-Jump said...

And GL- What is your luck with being 14th in a few different places?

Should you get a lotto ticket? 14 of them perhaps... Gotta split it with me if anything comes of it.

GoLightly said...

Aaah, you noticed.
This photo made me laugh, because of course, this is KK.

She was very, very, VERY short.
Still is.
That's a large pony she's on. She rode full-sized hunters when she was 5, at the Royal.

She's breaking my "rules", a little, but then she had to. She had no length of leg.
Very defensive, aggressive rider. Horses stopped with her, later in her career.
She reminds me a little of Margie Engle, you know the teeny lady with the giant horses.

Hey, KK was FEYmous! I was on the same page!! In 1970!
ooooh!
There's a photo of a guy, too, but he's in the middle of the newspaper, kinda folded a little too long. 39 years, I think.
Rene Huser, whoever he was. He's riding bareback, with his hands behind his back, over a jump.
Show-Off!
:)
I was on TOP:)
Of the newspaper picture spread. Jeeez.
once, long long time ago.

Humming Don Mclean as I go to feed me dogs..