Compostulating With The Times

Friday, January 22, 2010

Counter Productive


Seriously.

Thanks to CNJ for kickin' this post into full-combat blather gear.

I've meant to take umbrage at the thought that counter canter isn't a useful tool for training horses. It sure as heaven is. It is excellent work for the young horse. Never EVER (initially) on a tight-ish turn, never to make the horse lose his balance, but it's how I always taught/rode/trained flying changes, before and after riding you-know-who. Master Mister Big Bay HisSelf. (Cue the trumpets of honour)

GoLightly - remember him?

As a kid, growing up, I spent a LOT of time being a horse. We all did, I know. I spent long hours trotting, cantering, bucking, kicking, spooking. You know the drill. We all did, right? (Gawd, I hope so.) Cantering was always my favourite. I was so pleased when I finally understood the footfalls in my head, as well as in my body. 1,2,3. Suspend. You know. sigh. ANYway. The canter has a right way, AND, duh, a left way. Totally different. Remember? You do not ride only one side of the horse, but both simultaneously. The horse is still "processing" you separately, you just THINK he's one whole being. He really isn't. He's right, and left. The sooner you can feel the difference, the better. How, you ask??

Well, first, (you knew this was coming) I expect that you're pretty darned solid at the trot. Sitting, posting, able to ask for a faster or slower rhythm. Two-point, standing-straight for practice balance. No stirrups.
You Can't? It's easiest to learn how, about everything, at the trot, with it's metronome beat. (Walk, too.)

The canter is for the orchestration of both sides of you and your horse. It's the start of the big time, is cantering:) Be proud if you can do it! What you will find, at the start, is that you're "thrown" one way. THAT's your lead. The way you're being "thrown". You know how the trot is equally "throwing", yes? Well, the canter is not an equal beat. THREE beats and a hold, three beats and a hold. The hold, that throw, is your lead/direction.
Try not to fall off as you learn this.
:)
That's why if you're on the wrong lead around a corner, it feels pretty horrific. That's not the same as counter-canter. In counter-canter, the horse is balanced. A wrong-leaded horse is unbalanced, often dangerously so.

Okay, anyway, here's the harder part, for the more advanced amongst us. I've mentioned the Master SchoolMaster of all things a few times. GoLightly knew a ton of flatwork, that I'd only mostly read about, and attempted with my own experiments through the years. Hard to know if you're correct, but I seemed to do "okay".

GoLightly had kindly explained many different movements to me, as I explored his vast dictionary of correctness of training. GoLightly was my Encyclopedia Britannica:)

Counter-canter was a funny one. I'd been getting pretty frickin' good at most of our lessons, and both GoLightly and I felt a bit cocky about ourselves. I'd finally figured out how a half-pass was coordinated, how a shoulder-in should feel, how all of these movements had their basis in straightness and suppleness and lightness. I'd done two-tempi changes, and man, I thought I was genius. Always a good time for a trainer to throw down another glove.

Peter, with his usual laconic tone, said "Try working on his counter-canter, Baaaaarb". Why do trainers always drawl, when they're asking for something hard?
I guess to lull you into a sense of "easy enough."

It was interesting. I hadn't seen the expression "Oh,please, do I HAVE to?" from GoLightly since I'd used him for a beginner school horse with his original owner. Aggrieved, to the max, for him. How COULD I ask for such a terrible thing?

GoLightly gave me his first "humpfh", with my first forays into counter-canter with him. Oh, I had ridden many counter canters, asked for by me, the rider. I knew how to ask/ride them, how to try and maintain them. They weren't always pretty. I used them on long sides of arenas, and outdoors mostly, not very much in the way of turning, I'd do simple-changes (canter-trot-canter) to the correct lead around turns.

It hadn't really occurred to me how HARD they were, if the horse is perfect broke, and sensible, and likes to be balanced around his turns. The shoulder-in helps a lot with counter canter. But it doesn't ease the Yowza, that's HARD! factor. You can really start to feel the outside hind reach/WORK/"think", in counter-canter.
(quickie 'splaining. Say I'm going clockwise, but I'm on my left lead, in counter-canter. GoLightly's outside hind, is his RighT hind. It now has to take a much shorter stride, in order to maintain the lead.)
You can start some collection in counter-canter, just by asking for it.
Try it yourself, on all fours, on the floor. Just make sure the curtains are drawn.

But, BUT, be prepared. GoLightly gave me the hairy eye-ball for asking for it, and I was a pretty fair rider at that point. Counter-canter work should only be for those riders that know which lead they are on, without looking. Otherwise, it's way too confusing for the horse.

It was difficult, but it really drove home the point of left vs right riding, for me. Sharpened my timing. Forced me to sit in the correct place, in order to hold the counter-bend. If I did NOT sit it correctly, GoLightly would harumph, and twitch his tail, and even change behind, if he was really pissed off with me. I was asking him around the short ends of a pretty small arena. It was hard work.

Now, I can hear the little race-car QH/Ayrab/Morgan/some TB's horse owners snickering now. You big old draftie types too. Leads/schmeads, to these horses. They are either flat-moving, or have super-dooper (to me, because I am SO controversial) straight hind legs. But it is still entirely possible for these horses to benefit from the exercise. The gangly mare I've posted about really benefited from this work.

So there!
How confused are ya now?

Oh, Thanks so much, you guys, My Da' has amazed the medical profession aGain. What a Guy!!! Your prayers helped, I know they did. That and his "I'll die when I'M ReadY" attitude.

OH, and thanks to BHM. She hath wrought a miracle on the net. It shall be known as the truce, to end all true truces. THANK YOU!!!
Sunshine and Butterflies, heck, can't we all use some of that??
There's plenty of the nasties to go 'round.

17 comments:

nccatnip said...

First!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh, what a feeling!!!

Good read, Gl. Really cleared some cobwebs outta the old brain.

nccatnip said...

And Go Dad!!!!

Nicely dun said...

AWESOME POST GL

Please write a book, publish it, autograph it
and send to me :D

Sherry Sikstrom said...

Great post GL, I will have to get on a horse and think about it some more .Love the line
"Try not to fall off as you learn this"
Says a lot
Yay for your Dad !!!

MNaef said...

Well hello.

I have a friend who, not a word of a lie, showed me an old second grade assignment where she had written "A PONY" beside the question "what do you want to be when you grow up?" Made me wish I had thought of that.

I have nothing useful to add regarding cantering, counter or otherwise.

Cut-N-Jump said...

I never thought I would be the cause of kicking this post into full combat blather gear. Honestly, I didn't.

I have to admit to a few things here GL, one being that yes, I too trotted, pranced and galloped about as a kid. Hell my friend and I were Grand Prix jumpers! Didn't you know that? We were always pushing the (to read our) limits over boxes- heights, spreads, combo's, oxers... Armed with a paint stir stick 'whip' we sure got a lot out of our horses even when they were naughty. I can't remember any refusals, but there may have been a few.

I also have to admit to being one of thooOOoose kind of riders. You know, the ones who closely watch another riders lesson and listen in, or watch a trainer on a young horse bringing them along. Watching how they work and what they are doing and mentally noting the results of their efforts. Then of course-> trying it on my own horse.

They did the rollback like this and their results were this... What am I feeling for in that movement? How does it feel when I get it right? Did I get it right? I have to go by feel because I can't watch myself up here. Rats!

Counter canter the same thing- They were intentionally on the wrong lead! Was that just to see if the horse is listening and doing as asked? *quirky look on my face* My horse picks up the wrong lead by mistake and I'm trying to fix it. Why would I ask for it on purpose? *another strange face*

I always like to try to do things as they are explained and sometimes I put too much thought into the ride. How does my weight shift and timing effect the outcome of what just happened?

Being grounded by the rain, slick footing and really no horses of mine being rideable at the moment, (MAM, Boo Boo, Pal & Kat) I'll have to wait until another day to try it out and feel for it. That just plain stinks!

But thank you GL for the information and the great post! I will be reading and rereading it, (just like the link on the last one), trying to soak it all in and hopefully, actually, just maybe- getting it!

BrownEyed Cowgirl said...

I learned the benefits of the counter-canter for my barrel horses(claps hands gleefully). It WAS hard to figure out the difference between just letting them canter along in the wrong lead and actually using that as an aid to fix a problem.

Wanna know what a correct(well at least a controlled canter in the wrong lead;) counter canter fixes in a barrel horse? Too bad, gonna tell ya anyway!

Dropped shoulders in the turns. Yup! Pretty nifty little trick...umm, I mean training tool.

I always hesitate to show it to other barrel racers. Most fail to grasp the 'control' aspect of it. Does not work if you are just charging around with your horse in the wrong lead. Gahhh!

BrownEyed Cowgirl said...

Oh yea, and glad to hear your dad is so tuff and confusing the doctors.;)

Natalie Keller Reinert said...

During my Counter-Culture Show Hunter Phase, during which I tried to show A-Circuit Hunter Types that I was cooler than them and didn't need their stupid ribbons, I delighted in NOT getting lead changes in the corners.

Amarillo's thing was, why the hell would I land on the right lead if I'm going to turn left after the jump? That's just stupid.

And on the rare occasions when he did land on the right lead (usually because I had ridden him terribly off-balance or been distracted by a butterfly or something) I would execute a bee-yuw-tiful large, balanced circle on the right lead and show the fat cats how it's done on a DRESSAGE horse.

I also wore a trench coat instead of a hunt coat.

Well, no. But I kind of wish I'd tried that.

CharlesCityCat said...

Union Square, I am guessing you didn't place too often, LOL!


In the Hunters you do want to have changed your lead (if necessary) before you get to the turn. Of course, if you had a hunter like Spunky, that wasn't necessary, he figured out which lead he needed to land on when we were schooling. Gotta love his lazy butt.


I have used the CC at times. I wouldn't use it with Whinnie, it would freak her out. It would be a problem in EQ classes because they can ask for it.

I did use it to teach Splash (the TB/Connemara x I rode for a friend) to do changes. I actually started using CC because he hated to pick up his right lead. What I ended up doing was letting him counter canter and kept him holding it even when I knew he was ready to swap. Then, when I was ready, I asked him to swap, and he was more than happy to do it. Over a period of time, it worked to my advantage, he had learned to pick up the lead I wanted from the get go and also to do flying changes with little fuss.

Win Win!!

Padraigin_WA said...

Great post, GL! I always feel as if I'm on a schoolmaster as I read your posts. To maintain that balance around the corners is important. My green gelding became so uncoordinated, he would crossfire and that was like riding an egg-beater. I'd bring him back to a walk and try, try again.

Union Square, funny, I was just browsing through some old Practical Horseman mags yesterday, from the early 90's, and there was an article on how to land on the lead you'd like for the next fence. I can send you a copy if you like. It's really helpful.

:) who here wasn't a pony when she was a kid? We'd canter over jumps we made, of broomsticks, raked piles of leaves, and cardboard leaning against lawn chairs. I was more the xcountry type!

GoLightly said...

Boy, you guys don't get US's humour, do ya? I can relate, US. We'll have to school these guys in the art of gentle sarcasm. For example, Fern Valley has had to be told I'm kidding, a lot.
FernValley is da bomb.

US wuz bein' facetious, sorta kinda.

anyway, NCC, I honour your firstness, and send you a PRIZE! Oh, wait, I already did that.

ND always makes me blush.

Hello, SB!! Thanks for stopping by, You CoulD contribute some new pictures, hint, hint, hint. We used to drive my parents insane on drives in the country. My older sister and I would ScreaM dibs on horses we saw. MY HORSE!! No, it was MY horse. Gawd, we were little brats.

I need reminders, CNJ, haven't you noticed? I forget stuff.
Actually, one post I've "held back" is going over fences with the big bay. I'm afraid I'll lose the memory. It's coming, BHM. It's the toughest one to type.

WAY cool, BEC.

Paddy, I could jump 4'. I was a puissance jumper.

Sorry I'm late. I've been back and forth, and to and fro, and my dogs are starting to think they should just do a join-up with the coyotes. Mom has been BORing.

Of course, Flip's tummy had to act up this week. Rabbit shreddings gifted from the coyotes is the likely culprit.

Love youze guys!

horspoor said...

I use counter canter to help with balance and to train flying lead changes.

Some horses, those natural athletes that try to remain in balance and seem to have the correct lead no matter what can struggle with counter canter. They object. This is wrong, here let me change back. Holding the counter canter with these horses can be a challenge at first.

I was practicing holding the counter canter. I had a gelding that was just one of those naturally balanced, always felt four cornered individuals. The first time I rode him, green never ridden baby he felt four cornered, balanced. None of that baby wobble, imbalance. He really struggled with counter canter at first.

So, I'm on my second lap of counter canter. I hear two 'experts' at the rail, "She's on the wrong lead." I come by again and I hear, "She doesn't even know she's on the wrong lead." UGH....people. Please.

horspoor said...

UH...14th. Sorry.

When I was younger, I'd think people were doing things wrong. Now I know enough to at least wait and see...see if they are working on something, or correcting something, before I jump to the conclusion that they're morons. lol

Cut-N-Jump said...

"Actually, one post I've "held back" is going over fences with the big bay. I'm afraid I'll lose the memory."

Not a chance of losing the memory of a feeling like that, now is there?

I see it and want to try to ride it. The good inspires me to try to attain the same. But trying to feel it when you can't quite see it- that can be rough sometimes.

What makes me nuts is the dressage magazines we have, all their training articles and pictures and me being grounded for a while and unable to apply it even when I am in the saddle. None of ours are at those stages sometimes.

bhm said...

Best wishes for your Dad's recovery and keep up the counter canters.

autumnblaze said...

I'm so behind... glad to hear your dad is showing the docs what's what. :)

Counter canter... huh?

Now tell me, I (well last I was riding. :/) was working on lead changes. When we would do certain exercises 3 loop serpentines for instance, if I didn't shift my weight Gator would roll on (just fine mind you) counter cantering. Even on realtively tight serpentine circles.

Truth be told I think he thought I wanted the counter canter, where actually I just hadn't asked him to change correctly. He was just taking me literally. He always does.

Thanks for this post because I truly didn't know the value or use of the counter canter... youz real good for me like that, you know? Also why I need to drop in more often... :) Miss you!