Here's a video of Filatov riding.
Check out the reaction to the bag flying by.
Now, someone PLEASE explain to me, how much Dressage has changed/improved, in the last 30 years. I think the horses are incredible, today. They have changed.
Riders have not. Well, not YET. I'm not finished yet:)
All pictures scanned from "Canadian Entry", by Christilot Hanson, copyright 1966 by Clark Irwin.
I sure hope they re-print it, I need a new copy. This one has just recently collapsed.
I have a picture of myself and the master, at a clinic she did last year, where I asked her if I could use some of her pictures and stuff. She was so charming, and so agreeable. I was so nervous.
"Oh, Yes!", she said, "I'm all for sharing techniques to further good riding".
Which, amazingly enough, has been going on for more than 10/20/30/40 years.
REALLY.
Nah, good riding began the year I was born.
(not really.)
Sorry. I've just been reading some stuff. I wonder if the youngsters know how just silly they sound. Just you wait, Missy..
(evil wicked witch cackle).
oH, and I'll save the picker-aparters the trouble.
Bonheur was not really "underneath" himself enough in Passage. He was learning on a very demanding, (now it would probably be considered over-stressful) schedule.
Bonheur was a young horse. Christilot was 16 years old. Not bad, in my mind, anyway.
OH, and notice the tiny degree of bend in the half-pass.
GoLightly taught me that. Not the movement, I knew what it was. GoLightly taught me that that's ALL the bend, you really NEED. Not very frickin' much, is it?
Straight, is GOOD.
Noodle Neck, is BAD.
Let their nuchal ligament do what it was born to do.
To Great Horses, and Great Riding!
AnyTime at ALL.
Hey, I've started the year with a rant. Go ME!
I promise to be vociferous only as is necessary.
I will not go quietly into that good stall.
er sumthin.
HAPPY NEW YEAR!
Thanks for being there.
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Cool Link. I'm sure you've seen it already.
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Okay, I really need to review all this stuff.
REALLY BAD TOP DAY....argh.
It's just one day, HP.
and you were first Here!
That's twice, in one DAY!
I mean, c'MON.
Which would YOU rather have?
Don't answer that.
Deep cleansing breath.
GL-My dressage guru friend (yea, I'm sucking up a little;)...
Listen, I am working on some conditioning theories for my barrel horses and am looking at a set of DVD's on Ebay...Dr. Reiner Klimke. It's basic stuff...do you think he is worth purchasing??
I may not be your dressage guru...But KLIMKE...omg yes worth purchasing.
If you don't want them send me a link to the auction.
YES+YES.
Klimke is amazing. Quick, get the, before HP does!
:)
Hey, HP, It's all my fault, ya know.
You know that! I mentioned him in my blog! Bloody WarmBlood.
They hate press of any kind.
(falling over in shock, BEC)
Nice to see ya! How's your brother?
the, =
them.
New way to type.
badly.
He isn't my brother. He's my boss of 14 years and one of my favorite people in the world. It has been really tough.
He's in ICU on a respirator with pneumonia and other complications from the surgery.
Hp,so sorry about your friend !
Gl ,I don't know nuffin bout dressage ponies ,gotta come back and look again
I like that in each of the pics the horse is rather ahead of the vertical.
The opposite of fashion, if you will.
A really good uphill horse has to be above the vertical, physically, to be on the bit. I think.
My new horse is uphill. Shhh. I'll introduce you to him soon.
HP- sorry to hear about your boss. Hope he's well soon. As for Top, like GL said, it was one day, one ride. We are not all perfect every day at our jobs either.
GL- around our parts there is little improvement in the dressage scene. Rather it's slipping downhill instead.
People rushing things, everyone wanting immediate results and some with no understanding of the remote and simplest of BASICS!
At the WB inspection where I first met the Moose in the stall out back, I was asked if I trained at the neighboring dressahge barn. Don't even get me started! I was polite and simply said "No." Hubby has fixed more than a few of their riders, owners and horses issues that their 'trainers' couldn't. They try for months for what he fixes in a few minutes. I bet it just stings them.
Crap! I shouldn't type at 7am either..
Sorry, HP, it wuz late. I shouldn't be up past 11pm, I don't proof read all that well.
I meant BEC's brother, he ran into a bit of trouble.
Well, he drove:(
I am so sorry for your dear friend, HP.
Imagine that, riding without stirrups, and look how well she holds the correct position. Must be because she practices without sirrups.
And here is #14 so that GL doesn't have a freak out.
OK, I see that the horse have certainly changed , but what looks right hasn't . Collected without being twisted into a preztel,a horse that is performing manuvres willingly, no wringing tail,focused on the task at hand . no sign of the "gimme and inch and you are outta here sucker" that is seen in some of the over stimulated/overcorrected horse
BEC, agree with others here- get those Klimke dvd's. Such a partnership he had with his horse- a grand rider who left too soon.
HP, so sorry to hear about your friend/boss. Tough times and living in the moment for those who care for him-
rollkur is painfully unattractive. IMHO
What amazes me is how many people think the Rolkur posture is soooo pretty. It is like a caricature of a dressage horse, and not a flattering one.
I was watching Willie Arts at a dressage clinic a few years ago with Anky. I didn't realize it was Willie when he entered. The horse he was on was amazing. Very uphill, large, big movement seemed a tad hot. That horse looked like a caricature of a dressage horse in a good way.
This was a whole lotta horse. I remember the horse was doing something consistently wrong, can't remember what exactly. The experts in the peanut gallery were all snarking on it. Willie can ride. Finally I guess Anky got tired of hearing the whispered and not so whispered bashing. She said, "We would have to see if this is something all Willie's horses do...it isn't. We need to see what is going on with this horse to find out why it is happening to fix it. Would you like me to sit on this one?"
Of course everyone wanted to see Anky ride this horse. My god her seat is beautiful. She got on and bam...he did it to her. She worked him through it. Amazing horse, but not an easy horse.
They ARE a "whole lotta horse", these days. Forward, Whoa!
"Help, my horse is a giant moving machine." Well, yeah. That's what you wanted:)
One should never "live" in the rolkur position, as a wise woman has said.
(points at HP)
But. It IS a loosening exercise. Never needed by the general horse-riding public. People figured out they could just crank the head, and voila! dressidge at it's worstest.
So true, general public people like the "Look".
To me, it's one of subservience.
Like a WP horse, with his head in the dirt, or a TWH spider.
An Arabian "Saddlebred" horse.
Just weird, you ask me.
Nobody does, of course.
I think Dressahge has reached an end-game in a way.
Edward Gal's horse has extraordinary movement. What will the next generation bring? Horses that levitate?
Oh, right, they already DO that:)
My brother is doing well GL. Thanks for asking! His hands are healed already and so far so good in his feet.
So as not to leave anyone wondering-he got his vehicle stuck on a back road and spent the night out in subzero temps, ending up with some severe frostbite.
Thanks for the input guys. I thought Klimke's name sounded familiar(in a good way).
HP-There is a gal who is auctioning off a vast collection of DVD's, VHS's and books on ebay. Equestrian-books and videos. I missed out on some of the other's that she had, that I really wanted. Gaahhhh-I hate last minute bidders!
HP, Hoping your will recover soon.
BEC, Best wishes for your brother.
don't like modern dressage at all. Dressage has changed so much in a few decades. Throw out everything that is important because it takes time. Riding behind the vertical, no collection, "U"ed backs, toe flicking, tail ringing, rollkur, blue tongues, lame horses...the list is endless.
BEC,
Nuno Oliveira is another author to get.
You'd be surprised how many "dressage" horses can't do a stretchy circle, or stretch down at the walk.
I think there is still good dressage, and good dressage riders. However, I think dressage has become so popular over the last 15 or so years that many of the main tenets of dressage are being lost. Kind of like when a certain breed of dog gets popular...some of the better breed characteristics seem to get lost in the overbreeding.
Look on Dream Horse, or any of the horse classifieds. Take a look at how many horses are dressage prospects now. Yes, any horse can do dressage, but not every horse is a dressage horse. I can take my Subaru hatchback to the local dragstrip...it doesn't make it a dragster.
Many people don't want to put in the time. Many just want to do the 'tricks'. Lower levels are hurried through or skipped entirely to get to changes, passage and piafe. The riders lack a solid foundation, as do the horses.
It takes time to train a horse to the upper levels. Even if you have an incredibley talented horse the conditioning isn't going to happen in a year or two. Dressage takes strength, good dressage takes even more. I think of it as 'elastic strength'. Your horse has to be really strong, but it has to be supple, flexible, elastic. I think that kind of gets lost in the mad rush to FEI for some.
Just an opinion.
That's what I was thinking, HP.
Good dressage is still happening. I still have horses/riders I enjoy watching.
But yeah, popularity, and the idea that it's much safer (no jumping) has made it the "it" word to use, if you ride.
"Oh, I ride dressahhhge".
yeah, no ya don't.
Not yet.
Learn how to sit a trot, first.
omg, that is funny. You would laugh if you knew how many 3rd, 4th, PSG riders I know that can't sit the trot, or struggle with it. I will admit, it took me a couple tries on Top. HOLYCRAP. If you don't have him supple or he tightens his back it will launch your butt up. My abs are getting tougher and tougher. lol OH yeah, fyi...it takes strong abs to ride well, clutching with legs and hands is not going to give you sitting trot.
So why don't you post the photo of you and Christilot,ehh???
I can't FIND the bleedin' things, SPBCG. Plus,my hair was awful that day:)
I looked, everywhere.
I think they're on my computer at work.
handy, eh?
Not.
hint, hint, hint.
could you send them to me again?
(smiling ever so sweetly)
Stop painting those gorgeous small paintings for one second?
They are SMALL, anyway, so they take no time at all.
(snickers gleefully)
Hah, Catherine Gillespie, the famous artiste, has FINALLY commented.
on MY BLOG!!!!!!
I like Christilot's riding. Does she still ride the same way?
HP,
You'd love ride a sitting trot on Trooper. It's very graceful and smooth.
Dressage really HAS turned into nothing but circus tricks, because the supposed origin of the training was to build war horses, and the most important component of a battle horse is a sound mind, intelligence, and strength of character. You can't take today's poor deformed insane critters out of a flat arena.
To ride in battle you had better have at least the ability to stay on at all gaits.
I think dressage tests should include some battle moves, jousting, or something to simulate the original purpose of the art form. Evil chuckle, are the visuals not fun!?
BHM "Does she still ride the same way?"
I haven't seen her riding at either of the clinics I went to. But she sure trains that way. Her best riders are lovely to watch.
I have seen her ride, but many, many, many years ago. She's awesome.
imo.
weird frickin' Canadians. We never really seem to recognize our own talent enough.
snicker, kestrel.
I know little about the dressage world but Klimke, I know. Good horseman, that one!
Kes,
You just want compete in the jousting component of a dressage test. I second your evil chuckle. Can you imagine Anky jousting.
Some of the moves in haute ecole are specifically for warfare. The purpose of the training is to produce a horse than can carry it's rider by shifting the weight onto the haunches. Secondly, to provide a rideable gait.
GL,
She sure looks awesome. Lucky you to go to her clinics.
RR,
Yes, love Klimke.
Yes, I would joust! I'm not a bull fighting fan, but the horses they use...wow. Now that is trained. Incredible to watch the horse taunting the bulls, and the incredible horsemanship involved.
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