Words by Gen. Decarpentry, and Jim Wofford for quoting it. HorsPoor for the idea. I'd forgotten it, trying to remember the far more intricate "dressage" training scale. You know, the oracle. Rhythm, looseness, contact, impulsion, straightness, collection. RLCISC. Yeah, I keep forgetting it. Calm, forward, straight. Easy-peasy, and then I remembered it well.
GoLightly taught me that, and carefully re-worked my thoughts on all that other stuff above there. (RLCISC)If I was better at charts, I'd try to show you what I mean, but the simple fact is, without calm, you have none of the above RLCISC. Without forward, same thing. Without straight, yup, same bleedin' thing. Trying to complicate the simple, can actually get in your way. In a large way.
Jim Wofford's article on Art or Violence was bloody brilliant, in my huge extravagance called Practical Horseman Magazine.. Favourite line "I believe in classical principles, and I also believe you can't have good hands, if you don't have enough bit". That's a TraineD rider he's talkin' about.
Anyway. The simple three, Calm, Forward, Straight also applies, are you ready? To You, the Rider. If you aren't any of the above when you get on, you might as well get off again.. Your body lines up with the horse, or vice versa. If you are learning, the horse is leading, once you are really riding, it becomes the dance.
You two think together, calmly, forward and straight. You cannot have this without balance. Straight line from shoulder, through hip, to heel, to start. Like Fern Showed us.. And the guy in my previous post. Amazing rider, no longer in it. I know, and he knew, he was a little goose-necked and puppy-pawed, it's effeminate affectation that has SurE caught on:):)
Makes bad hands worse, good hands silly lookin', IMO. Plus, your elbows can smack people..
And then, forever, through the various angles you will bend, in walking, in two-point, or while trail-riding and cantering and galloping and walking.. You have to be calm, and going forward, and straight to the curves of your horses two sides, with your 2 legs and 2 hands. Equally. Musicians, like the Almighty Mel, have a real advantage. Dancers, too. Like the Master. AnY kind of dancing.. Ambidexterity. Your horse has it, shouldn't you?
It's amazing, the connection you can feel, when you are calm, and forward and straight, and comfortable..
Does that make sense?
This picture and this one and especially this one demonstrate too long stirrups over fences. Might as well HavE no stirrups. Bigger fences. Berry berry bad, heckquitation. The pictures are mature, they're from 65-67 or so. That's 1965, to anyone who doesn't know what I mean. (looks behind, wow)
No straight lines anywhere, in those pics. My heel is at the hip of the horse, fcs. I collapsed my upper body downward, and threw myself forward. Oh, yeah, horses can jump, it's amazing what they'll put up with. Saxon was my first hero horse for jumping, then Musket, then that big old bay Whip.
The point is this. You cannot, repeat, cannot learn to jump properly, if you spend too much time trying to do it without stirrups. The horse will throw you up, when he jumps, IF you let him. Without stirrups, you cannot get light enough in the tack. Yeah, yeah, show me legs of frickin' iron, first, and a LighT seat. But it's better for the horse, with stirrups. Ask him, he'll agree.
Oh, and one last thing. (As if..) Straight line from shoulder, through hip to heel. Say again..
If your heel is back towards his hip, you is SO in the wrong place.. POSTURE!! Two-point, without falling forward, is correct. Falling forward while in two-point, is NoT.
Much easier to maintain that line, if you practice my handy dandy Christilot Master exercises... Yes,the line does have angles, but they are all straight. STRAIGHT.
I wasn't yelling:)
Wasn't I a funny lookin' kid:) Rough and ready, with stirrups at Cavalry length, and eyes and shoulders down, and horse "hoping for the best".
This is what GoLightly taught me to do. Took 17 years, but as we all know, I take a while..Yes, I know, I know, A little too crest release, posy-wosy, teeny fence...
Silly, smooth moving mare, that Spider.. Bit of a jug head. Lazy jumper. Hey, I'll ride it:)
My posture and my ability to wait for the horse to JumP, was taught (well, finally hammered into me) by Master GoLightly. I rarely jumped him without stirrups. It really isn't that fair, unless you're a masochist, or something. I already had a strong two-point. You can't really do a proper two-point, over any size fence, without stirrups. I mean, easily, and daily, and all.. What's the point?
Jockeys tend to keep their stirrups, yes?
Yes.
To all your fine horses. Scritch a few withers, and rub some noses. Tell them I do miss them, painfully, daily.
(where did that tangent GO??)
22 comments:
Perfect! This so makes sense! this post is so clear to me. Thanks.
Hugs for you; scritches and sugarcubes for Butchy.
Now, that made my day.
MegaHugs back, kiddo.
Great post ,and I am soo proud that I got an honorable mention (esp fter my snark at SB this morning)As i said before I haven't even sat in an english saddle in years though I am tempted to try again just not in my old "postage stamp close contact" That thing is not for the faint of heart!
You describe it so beautifully yet still manage to make the "keep it simple stupid" point that so many miss.
To you, my friend and your return to horses someday. Snuffles and a kiss from Johnnie
Yeah, calm, forward, straight... I know I've heard that somewhere before, from some trainer I've worked with... Wonder who that could be?
It makes so much sense.
Good post, GL. Amazing form on that last pic. That was you? Pretty cool.
Uhhhhh.......check those leathers. Frequently.
I can be a little masochistic, but jumping without stirrups was beyond even me.
Probably because I was the wussiest jumper ever. I did 3'6" and 3'9" from time to time and it scared the bejesus out of me. 2'6" was about my comfort limit.
Back to basics. Always works with horses. I hope to be able to ride again someday.
I used to be the bareback kid. My old horse was the best for bareback adventures. A solid percheron X to crawl up onto and ride the wind with. We did some little jumps-aka logs and I sure did learn a lot that way.
When the crazy horse and I used to jump it was generally with stirrups-I didn't want to go stirrupless until I had it down pat-to save his little back from my newbie be-hind.
love the posts GO!
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When I was a kid our trainer had us jump bareback. I thought everybody did until I got older. Would I jump bareback now...not intentionally. lol
Now there are those horses you don't ride really straight. Those more forward, hotter tend to build scaredy ones. A tad of bend, a shoulder fore feeling, or push the haunches over a tad..helps them.
Yes they should be able to go straight. And they will once they get a little more confident.
Funny, I say it Calm, straight, forward. lol I'm not sure how big of a deal the order makes.
Oh, for sure horspoor, we're talkin' ideals, here.
Nothing in real life is truly straight. We are left-or-right handed, and of course horses are too. BuT...
But we're talking basics, 'member?
Hard to go straight, if you aren't going forward. First.
See, I'm a chronic literalist..
Hotter horses do need more um, "direction". NoT a very basic, beginner-ish rider..
:)
We are having a BeautifuL DaY!!
60 degreesFahrBulous.
I'm not saying bareback jumping isn't possible, my goodness, not.
We've all sailed over a few fences bareback. I prefer a saddle, over fences, but that's just me:)
Depends on the wither...
gotta go
*sneaking into back of class with hall pass in hand* Woohoo! Just looked at some property that is beautiful! The basics are actually he hardest, which is why they get skipped so frequently. Great explanation!
I had a friend I was helping. She wasn't enjoying the basics on her young mare. Irritated she asked me, "How long do I have to do this baby stuff for?"
I realized "forever" would just validate not doing it for her. So, I looked at her and said very sincerely, very seriously, "Twelve years." She was okay with that.
Now close to twenty years later she thinks it's hilarious. Someone will ask something like that, and she'll say, "Twelve years."
I think I'm all betternow. Keep your hooves crossed.
Gator!!!!
Butch just perked right Up!
He never CoulD cross his hooves, though..
Do paws count?
OH! I saw a ROBIN today:):):)
sorry, this canadian reJoices at our spring sign..
Hay, K!! Sounds fantastic:)
Paws and fingers and toes crossed, all around:)
Gator!!! Hope you are all better!!! We missed you!!!
Hey GL are you still speakin to me after my little p-ing match with Sarcasta? Hope so cause if she brings that big girl out here i might need a coach
FernValley, I can't believe you think I'm pissed.
At YOU??
Could Never Happen, unless you slammed a door on me or something.
Heck, you weren't even mad about the party or the goat!!
I was skeered you'd be all annoyed at the mess we left..
Well, that NCC left..
Okay, and Flip, too.
The goat was totally innocent. Well, until SecondWind dressed him up, and took him bowling..
You won that particular pizzant match, oh, yeah.
That branding iron really helps, with some people, eh?
Hugs and scritches, all around:)
Johnny, especially though..
Ohhhh, Johnny Cactus...
FV, you spank 'em girl!
FernV
Only if HP and kestrel can come along.
TeamCoaching, it could catch on!
Little Gator, are you still Okay?
Let us know?
How's your hounds?
I FINALLY have something else to say.
My mute button was stuck.
I ficked it.
kestrel, are you SURE that was a drumstick??
Can't find the goat.
Anywhere..
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